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  • #19112
    Ween Sze
    Participant

      Hi Polona,

      We are back again. We took this class when MB is a puppy in Spring/Summer 2020 and are looking forward to be learning with you again. Moonbeam is both food motivated and toy motivated dog in agility. She tends to screams in agility ring and in training, she generally listens and can use her brains, but in competition, she tends to be completely crazy and screams even louder and although not doing zoomies and not just running around, I have difficulty with her. I want to learn how to manage her emotions, but still not change her, I love her for being so happy in agility ring especially in competitions….she is a riot and I love her for that, but maybe learning to work with her in managing her in trials better.

      I hope I am explaining well but instances such as she being a much tunnel sucker, which in training, she listens and will not be sucked into tunnels…in competition, she just goes…in some instances actively seeking out tunnels. Thats one example.

      Anyways, I am looking forward to this journey with her with you and learning more about being with her, working with her, but still being super fun for her.

      Thanks
      Ween Sze

      #19118
      Polona Bonač
      Keymaster

        Welcome! Looking forward to working with Moonbeam again and seeing what kind of crazy girl she turned into! 🙂

        #19126
        Ween Sze
        Participant

          Hi Polona,

          Kicking things off with the Poke Me exercise that we did this morning. I am not sure if I should also be more excited in verbals rewards with her, but you can see that she has no problem with playing for food.

          Thanks
          Ween Sze

          #19136
          Polona Bonač
          Keymaster

            Definitely no problem at all. 🙂 So we can try and add another variation to it. You will hold your hands with the treat up like for example at 0.33 and you do that until she offers some kind of stillness. It can be in a stand or sit position, but she has to be perfectly still, no wiggling. She is actually already offering it at times, so it shouldn’t be too hard to reinforce. While waiting for that stillness keep your hands perfectly still. Make sure you give a very clear marker word like “yes” or “ok” with a happy and lively voice and quickly put your hand on the ground for her to poke. Gradually you will start moving the hand(s) with food slowly after she has “frozen”. At first you can just move it towards her face VERY VERY slowly and your goal is that she keeps looking at it without changing position until she hears “ok” and you rapidly move the hand down on the ground.
            When she is ok with slight and easy movement, you will start moving the hand to the ground very slowly and only give her an “ok” once the hand is on the ground already.

            #19177
            Ween Sze
            Participant

              Hi Polona,

              So today we tried the part where she attempted to stay still, then I will say yes and quickly move the hand to the floor and allow her to poke me 🙂 This is fun 🙂

              Thanks
              Ween Sze

              #19183
              Polona Bonač
              Keymaster

                Cool! She did some awesome sits with perfect stillness! After a while she fell into a shaping mode and was figuring out which behavior to offer so she lost that intensity. To avoid that you can mix it with food throws just up and down across the room. And than randomly hands up, anticipation and “bam”. This “freeze” has to come purely out of drive – it is anticipation freeze so if she falls into a slightly nervous “thinking mode” or trying to offer behaviors she might end up standing or sitting still, but with different emotional background.

                #19196
                Ween Sze
                Participant

                  Hi Polona,

                  In this video, I tried to incorporate the food throw, she is not great at catching food in the air yet. And also that slow hand movement and the poke Me. Not sure if I am doing it right.

                  Thanka
                  Ween Sze

                  #19207
                  Polona Bonač
                  Keymaster

                    You can do normal food throws across the room, it doesn’t have to be “air throws”. It is just to keep her moving and have that contrast between movement and compression. But you can do air throws too sometimes, because it is a nice skill to have.
                    Building anticipation and slow movement is generally correct yes and she was mostly in appropriate drives. When you start moving your hand, don’t move it towards her face because she thinks she will get it and it distracts her. Move it away from her – to the side and down. Be VERY careful with releases, I believe she pushed you into a release at least twice – meaning she twitched before you gave her the command. If she twitches just wait a bit longer and if she moves and leaves position, lure her into a spin or something before setting up for anticipation freeze again. If you just wait for her to correct her mistake she goes into a different – impulse control mode and she offers a correct behaviour, but asking you for permission with eye contact and that is a different game.
                    Hope that makes sense 🙂

                    #19214
                    Ween Sze
                    Participant

                      Hi Polona,

                      I think I get your anticipation freeze criteria. We tried it again today. I tried to do food throws and also mix in air throw for her with the poke Me. I tried to watch her on anticipation freeze and if she twitches, I stop a bit before slowly moving the hand. Hope I got it right now.

                      Thanks
                      Ween Sze

                      #19233
                      Polona Bonač
                      Keymaster

                        Yes! That is it! Great job. 🙂 Now we will add even more variation to the mix. Think of some very energetic tricks she does – spinning or even barking on cue… Mix them in the session. Start same way as usual, then randomly ask for some quick spins or a bark or some other trick you can think of. Sometimes reward that trick with a throw and sometimes ask for stillness without rewarding the active trick. You can help her achieve stillness by holding the hand up or if she is struggling even telling her to sit or down and than showing her the hand, so she can remember and switch. Being able to switch her from high action to “compressed” action is what we are going for. 🙂

                        #19263
                        Ween Sze
                        Participant

                          Hi Polona,

                          This morning we switched things up by doing the food pocket exercise and the Go Sniff exercise. Have a look at the videos, hope we are doing it right. THanks

                          Food Pocket Toy

                          Go Sniff

                          Thanks
                          Ween Sze

                          #19268
                          Polona Bonač
                          Keymaster

                            Food pocket toy – she plays well with normal toys right? Is she having any troubles switching from food to toy and back? I am asking those things just to know if/where we need to take this food pocket game. If she doesn’t have any issues with playing or switching, this game is not really necessary for her. If you still wanted to develop it, I would try to move the toy faster to make it more like regular toy so she will not be occupied with food so much but rather go for a proper bite. Was she the one that didn’t really want to bite into this toy as a pup? If she hesitates to bite even when the toy is presented as a regular toy, than I would slow it down to the point where you are just moving it very slowly in a straight line but you are very precise with when you reward her – you have to feel her effort on the toy, no matter if it is a paw (you have to feel her attempt to stop it) or she picks it in her mouth. Don’t stop if she just opens her mouth around the toy.

                            Go sniff is what it should be. 🙂

                            #19282
                            Ween Sze
                            Participant

                              Hi Polona,

                              Yes, she is playing very well with normal toys and yes, she used to have troubles switching from food to toy and back as a pup but now she is completely fine switching and biting and tugging hard on toys. So, we will skip this one.

                              Today, we went back to poke me. And we tried doing scoot and high action and leading to compressed action. Have a look at our tries and looking forward to your feedbacks. Thanks

                              Thanks
                              Ween Sze

                              #19284
                              Polona Bonač
                              Keymaster

                                Nice! You can pair this anticipation behaviour with a verbal cue, so it will be easier for her to know when to switch. It can just be something like “reeeeady…?” at this point because we are not pairing it with any specific position yet. For now use it when you see she is just about to switch into that mode or as soon as she does.
                                Separately you can also add another twist – when she is in anticipation and you put your hand down, use her food bowl and leave the treat there. Move your hand away before releasing her to the bowl. When she understands this concept, you can have her in anticipation, leave the treat in a bowl but before releasing her, ask her to do another simple thing such as quick nose touch before releasing her to the bowl. She might be confused at first or won’t be able to listen, but just stay patient. If you can, block her from stealing the treat, but even if she does… just try it again until she is successful and make a big party – she doesn’t just get the treat in the bowl but a couple of food throws extra while you cheer her on. 🙂

                                #19307
                                Ween Sze
                                Participant

                                  Hi Polona,

                                  We added verbals to the compressed action cue. Please have a look. Thanks

                                  Thanks
                                  Ween Sze

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