Forums Let`s play Agility – Winter 2018 Students Kristina & Myle, Miniature Schnauzer, 4 years, Lithuania

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  • #8275
    Kristina Jugulyte
    Participant

      Hello from Vilnius! We are very happy and excited to join this course.
      Brief story about us. We have found agility around 3 years ago. We constantly participate in agility competitions in Lithuania, this year we started our “international career” in competitions abroad. We are doing quite good, take up some prize place. I am happy about Myle’s concentration, focus on me, self-confidence and perception to barriers, but I want to speed up her and also increase motivation, create more joy in agility spot. I want her to feel that agility is not just an activity to do a favor for your handler, but also it is fun for both participants. So we are ready to start. 🙂

      #8286
      Polona Bonač
      Keymaster

        Welcome! 🙂

        #8374
        Kristina Jugulyte
        Participant

          Hi Polona,
          Here is our first lesson:

          Firstly we tried the most simple way – one short tunnel. Instead of toy this time I used chestnuts – in autumn she is crazy for chestnuts. I felt that Myle was little bit distracted, probably it was unusual to run such a short distance in agility spot – this is a work place, where she runs agility courses. I guess it was strange for her “just to play”. Despite my all calls and encouragements, she didnt come for a jackpot, she was looking around and thinking what will we do next.

          And we also tried other combination – short tunnel and barrier after it. She was almost the same as previous, the speed seems more or less the same, at least, I do not see big differences.

          So, I dont know how did we do in general.
          What do you think?

          #8383
          Polona Bonač
          Keymaster

            Great idea to use chestnuts! I like when people observe the dog and use what makes him excited in every day life! 🙂 What did you use for jackpot? And did she know you are calling her to get the reward and not to just end the session? If she knew you have the reward, than the reward is not important enough for her. 🙂
            Try to play a similar game every day when you go for a walk with her. A little running game, throwing chestnuts or balls up and down a couple of times, followed by a tasty snack or whatever you wanted to use as jackpot. 🙂 You can do it without any “obstacles” or you can use a tree to send her around now and than. When she gets to know this game better, she will be less confused on agility field. I would do some kind of variation of this game for the next couple of trainings, to really encourage maximum possible speed. She was running really well through the tunnel in the first round, second was already a bit slower. But as I said – I think she will get more confident and enthusiastic when she gets familiar with this game. If she likes food, you can play a variation with it as well. Just throwing food (very big pieces) instead if toys/chestnuts. The more of this crazy RUN RUN RUN game she experiences, the crazier she will get about it. Just make sure you don’t play for too long at once, because running like this is tiering and you don’t want her to think it is hard work. 🙂 Observe and stop before she starts slowing down.

            #8446
            Kristina Jugulyte
            Participant

              After todays training I was talking with a colleague from our agility club about the jackpots. And she reminded me that I dont use toy or any other “thing” as a jackpot – our jackpot is a kind of special game when i gently punch her, tug, etc. I forget about it :). Thats why last time she didnt understand when i was calling her with a toy for a jackpot. So step by step I will try to switch to a toy or just use that game as the final reward.

              Now about today. Our run you will find below. First time i tried to encourage Myle with balls, according to me she run 80-90 percent of her full speed

              The first session was short so I decided to repeat it with chestnuts. Her speed was better, she was fast and eager to catch each chestnut. Just all the time I felt I am running too fast and I am too far from her.

              Then we made 30 mins break and repeated last time – one short run with one toy who served as a jackpot. Accidently she dropped a bar, for few seconds she felt she failed because she never drops bars. We contuined to run, I run on the external tunel side to make a longer distance for myself and not to outrun Myle too fast. The toy motivated her quite good and FINALLY I was able to reward her a jackpot and play with her with a toy :).

              Actually i am still not sure how many times I can run with her practising these courses. I dont want her to get tired too much and also I want to use time effectivelly. Today we run three times, she was still very enthusiastic to play with her balls.
              What do you think, is it too much? Or each time I should decide by myself evaluating her speed and motivation?

              #8453
              Polona Bonač
              Keymaster

                Yes, first of all I think the amount of repetition and a total duration of the training is just right. Here you don’t want the dog to get tired. It has to be “exclusive” – short and sweet. So she starts to look forward to it and really gives her best. I don’t know how often you can go to the field, but since in total this training is quite short, you could do it almost every day now. (later when things get more complicated I never suggest training this often), but I think it can help in this phase of just a “running game”. As I have suggested earlier I would also encourage running in other situation – just a couple of throws (up and down) on your walk and also a couple of food throws in front of your house before you give her dinner. The more often she is encouraged to run full speed, the easier and more natural it will get for her. But always really short sessions. Just up to 4-5 sprints and than at least a break. So she has the energy to sprint. If you go on for too long it is more a marathon than sprint. 🙂
                And yes, the distance between you – I didn’t think it was that problematic, but yes, if you are too much in front it is slightly demotivating for some dogs. So you can also take shorter lead-outs. But try to avoid getting in her way. When you were running around the tunnel you were a bit too slow. 🙂

                #8459
                Kristina Jugulyte
                Participant

                  Hi Polona! Now we go to the field twice a week, we spend there more than an hour. I will try to do it more often, while trainings are short and simple. And yes, we will include short and fast runs (around the tree or something similar) during our daily walk. Actually we do sprint runs often, but usually I stay in one place throwing her chestnuts or cones and encouraging her with voice commands. Since now on I modify this game.
                  When you suggest to encourage her in trainings with food, do you mean I should work just with food constantly or can I mix – sometimes food, sometimes toy/ anything else?

                  #8467
                  Polona Bonač
                  Keymaster

                    “Now we go to the field twice a week, we spend there more than an hour.”
                    I don’t know how convenient it is for you to go to the field. If it is far away from where you live, you don’t have to make yourself troubles. But if you can just drop bye quickly to do a short session or two, it can be useful. 🙂

                    “When you suggest to encourage her in trainings with food, do you mean I should work just with food constantly or can I mix – sometimes food, sometimes toy/ anything else?”
                    On the field I would use what she loves most – chestnuts. 🙂 At your walks you can try different toys and also chestnuts or anything you can find that could be fun. What I meant with food is – I don’t know what she normally eats, but if it is at least approximately in pieces you can make a little running game out of it as well. Throw one piece, than turn around, run in another direction, throw the next piece, turn around, run in the opposite direction, turn around… Usually dogs love this game. You just have to make sure that the ground is not slippery but also not high grass, because in that case they can’t see the treat clearly and have to start sniffing to find it. And that is breaking the flow of the game. And since it is a hight intensity game you can only do a couple of throws and than give the rest of the meal from the bowl. So the dog does not see it as a marathon. 😉

                    #8724
                    Kristina Jugulyte
                    Participant

                      Hi Polona. Here is our video with the second lesson

                      Simple turns we did at home and in agility field this time were practising sharp turns from the tunnel. To make little bit more challenging, I put one barrier after it, to reach more speed the high was minimum, around 20 cm. We were playing with food, I find it more motivating than her toys (I still cant understand why, so time after time will try to change toys instead of food).

                      After we did a break, I left the same tunnel and put a barrier after it with an “out” position. It was just for fun, to run other simple course and win food.

                      Tomorrow we plan to play with turns using a barrier. Actually I tried it today but I understood that I am not able to show it properly, because Myle failed 4 times from 5 :)), and dogs dont fail so often just because of their fault.
                      I will try harder, will show results tomorrow.

                      #8728
                      Polona Bonač
                      Keymaster

                        Good to see you guys after a while. 🙂

                        “We were playing with food, I find it more motivating than her toys (I still cant understand why, so time after time will try to change toys instead of food)”
                        Why not? 🙂 Every dog has their own preferences. I don’t see any difference between toys and food. For me playing is action not what kind of object you use. So if the dog prefers food and you know how to use it to get the best speed and attitude, why not? I always respect the dogs wishes. My little mudi girl was my most successful agility dog and one of the fastest dogs in her time and she always preferred food over toys. I used toys for some things, but the final reward was always food. If I were you, I would work on playing separately. Just playing, without any training “demands” (and sometimes for some very simple agility exercises). I would use food for training all the things that are new/hard for her.
                        Tunnel turns were mostly good, but she was expecting it. Because you were giving the turn cue very late and she still was able to turn tight. So next time remember to say the cue sooner. If the dog is “forced” to react in the last moment, they learn it is better to go a bit slower and be ready for everything at all times. To really get maximum speed you need to make sure they are fully confident that they know what happens next.

                        Straight tunnel + out – great! She really enjoyed that. That playing at the end was really nice, but try to always touch her from the side, try not to reach over her head. Overall she loves this game, but she always (like 99% of the dogs in such situation) pulls off when you are trying to reach for her that way.

                        #8730
                        Kristina Jugulyte
                        Participant

                          “If I were you, I would work on playing separately. Just playing, without any training “demands” (and sometimes for some very simple agility exercises)”
                          This is exactly what we did yesterday – agility with food (videos above), and toys just for playing to do a break after agility exercise. Yesterday she was very excited, i was trying to make everything as fun as it can be.

                          “Tunnel turns were mostly good, but she was expecting it. Because you were giving the turn cue very late and she still was able to turn tight. So next time remember to say the cue sooner”
                          After I saw the video, I had the same feeling. Will try to improve.

                          As we had some break (sorry for that!!) and didn’t practise lesson 2 enough, now I’ll still proceed with the same exercises and later will follow lesson 3. Will show you our achievements constantly. I plan to join the gang with lesson 3 tasks at the end of next week, hope you don’t mind.

                          And one more question. We have agility competition in Vilnius on 8 th December.
                          What do you think, can we participate? Or should we concentrate just on your exercises and do not force running long distances?

                          #8736
                          Kristina Jugulyte
                          Participant

                            Here is our this evening training – round turns around the cone.

                            I tried from different sides. She does 1.5 turn – I mean she turns around the cone, then i throw a piece of food and then she does additional turn catching it.
                            I guess we are ready to play the same game with a barrier.

                            #8745
                            Polona Bonač
                            Keymaster

                              Ok good! That kind of free ball running sessions are great for her general ball drive and overall attitude in a “workplace”. 😀

                              The game turn also good. You can add slightly more dynamic by moving up and down the hall with the cone (you can also use something bigger, even a full wing) and have her run, do a 360 turn around the cone, than chase you and the treat in one direction, and while she takes the treat, you walk in the opposite direction and repeat the whole thing again, just like picture shows. 🙂

                              #8816
                              Kristina Jugulyte
                              Participant

                                Thanks, Polona! I wasnt sure if it is a good idea to ask the dog to turn 360 on a high speed. Currently we are training in an indoor hall and the surface is coated with a carpet, sometimes I see that it is slippery for the dog. What do you think, I do not do damage when I ask her to run? well, maybe running straight is not so bad, but what about turns? I knew she will be crazy because I had food, and I didnt want to make her to strain the joints.
                                Anyway, we will keep your suggested exercise for the next time.
                                Yesterday I was trying to improve sharp turns from he tunnels saying the turn command earlier. Was it better?

                                And also as we had enough time I played with her some games from the lesson 1 – different variations with tunnel and jump.

                                I was so happy that she was really putting efforts to catch me, that my movements and commands were little bit chaotic, please watch just at the dog 😀

                                #8826
                                Polona Bonač
                                Keymaster

                                  You are generally right about slippery carpet. I don’t like to train my dogs on it and I do think dogs either don’t care and slip a lot, or they learn to run slower and more carefully because of that. However I think Myle is really good at running on carpet, I don’t see her struggle. So doing 180 or 360 doesn’t seem as that much of a difference, because throughout the turn she is only loosing not gaining speed. The first part of the turn is the most dangerous part. I would definitely try to run her outside as much as possible – until the ground is deeply frozen or has snow on it. Inside you should be a bit careful, but than I think you should stick to straight lines only, because I don’t want her to learn to do turns slowly. She doesn’t give you any speed “for free” so if you train whole winter with low speed, she won’t just suddenly speed up when you are out on the grass again. 🙂 So I don’t know, it is up to you to decide…

                                  Todays videos – tunnel turns definitely better. You can say the cue even sooner and start mixing straight exits with turns, so you really test her listening skills, not just her memory. 😉

                                  Little sequences – I loved how she got faster and faster towards the end! Really nice. Try to get your handling and cues in order next time (and no worries, I am a complete mess sometimes as well 😀 Myle had fun nevertheless) and reward quickly after the “more difficult” element, such as out, or turn away from you.

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