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March 8, 2022 at 2:21 pm #18125
I got Joker as an 8week old puppy. We have been doing agility, but have always struggled with low drive. After doing the Let’s Play course, his drive has considerably improved, but now it’s time to take it up a notch and take it onto the field!
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March 9, 2022 at 10:27 am #18159Welcome! 🙂
March 13, 2022 at 5:50 am #18233Had an early morning session as he seemed to have lots of energy which just died away instantly when I put the other dogs away and hhad him alone. Tried doing crazy balls, but totally failed. He didn’t even wanted to try playing with the tennis balls, but I did eventually get him to play with one particular rubber ball. He mostly does bring it back to me so that I can throw it again. I see he was a bit put off by the wet grass which he isn’t normally phased about.
March 14, 2022 at 3:24 pm #18253Joker is not going to give us anything for free. 🙂 Is one of your other dogs tolerant enough for this experiment…? If Joker is not up for it, you can run to get another one and focus entirely on that one, running along with him and praising that other dog as if he/she just won a big trial. If Joker at any point wants to get involved, you can reward him with a treat throw but at first just casually, without giving him too much attention. Only if he starts to actively beg for it.
Otherwise I would maybe try with hungry Joker and a food pocket toy or a combination of food throw in one direction and food pocket chase in another… see if that makes him turn on faster. Did you keep the routine since LP ended?March 15, 2022 at 5:53 am #18260“Joker is not going to give us anything for free.” Nothing more true than this! LOL
We have been keeping the LP routine all the time and training at home and at class has been going very well actually! He actually surprises me at class to be honest – runs like a little demon (as demonic as Joker can get)! At home we still have days that are great and days like this video, but it’s getting much better overall.
He is really doing great now with spontaneous play sessions and to be real honest – his overall mood is just so much better! He doesn’t shut off so easily and he will actually now come and show me a toy that he has picked up around the house!
I’ll try to video a session where I have another dog out and post that for you to see.March 15, 2022 at 1:47 pm #18269Cool! I am sure not all trainings are this hard. Glad to see he is improving so much overall 🙂 Curious to see how he reacts to having some competition on the field.
March 15, 2022 at 6:04 pm #18271Ok this is a much better session. This is what we normally have now. At home and at class. Shows are still a very different picture, but I feel it will eventually all come together. I didn’t even needed to take out another dog.
March 16, 2022 at 7:25 am #18280Cool! That is better yes! Maybe the turn off were the balls – simply because he is not as used to them as he is to the food pocket and thrown food?
Generally well played, I just think you can push him some more by not waiting for him and adjusting to his speed, both on the start and when you reward. Let’s look at starts: 2.25 – don’t wait for him. As soon as you are reasonably sure he is close to the treat, run away, make him feel some hurry. 3.45 was the same situation – you helped him find the treat, but than you don’t have to wait for him while he takes his time eating it. Turn around and run!Same when you are rewarding him 2.46 – run away with a greater speed, so he needs to put some effort immediately and “wakes up”. Mostly in a straight line, so he knows the catch is a sure deal if he speeds up. 3.55 the same – you upgraded the game somwhere in the middle, but you can start faster so when he is out of tunnel he already sees the need to accelerate to catch up.
March 21, 2022 at 3:05 pm #18371We had a three day show over the course of this weekend. I had a friend video how I would now generally warm him up before the round.
But it doesn’t really seem to work at the shows. However, warming him up this way at class seems to work and so far we have really done well at class! For the first two days of the show I could barely get him over jump one, so I would run off, get my toy and then we would make it over about 4 or 5 jumps then I would reward and leave the course. Problem is, he gets too clever and would then wait for me to go and fetch his toy. So I then literally begged him to go over the first jump, then run out and reward him.
At the end of the second day I could manage to get him over 2 jumps and a tunnel before running out and rewarding him.So day three we decided to try something else. I walked to the start line without him and with my treat tugger. A friend then took him out of the crate and brought him over to me. I encouraged him while he was on lead but he couldn’t touch me and I didn’t touch him. I threw two treats close to him. Then my friend took the lead off and we ran! Best round we have had ever!
I’m not sure if this was the right thing to do, but I was starting to run out of ideas at this point. So any advice would we great.
I feel like class is going really well and training at home is great. Our play sessions at home is marvelous and he even played with me after the show and brought back the toy for more tugging without food being involved. Just simple and fun playing. I look at the small victories for now!March 22, 2022 at 11:37 am #18384“I look at the small victories for now!”
Yes, that is the attitude! Small victories add up until eventually everything falls in its place. 🙂 It is absolutely good to try things out and if being restrained from you helped, by all means keep using it! I can see that he is a bit unsure about the environment and shutting down is probably his coping mechanism, so I would still be doing some playing and “warm up” sessions in between your runs. Short and fun. The more such experiences he gets, the more he will be able to forget about what is going on around him and focus on the job. You can include restrains in those sessions too. Make some warm up with him first, than have someone restrain him while you run away with the food pocket and the person eventually releases him into the chase.
If you can, I would also run the next competitions with food pocket in your hand, so you make it easier for him to transition from warm up area to the run. While at home with less distractions I would be working on a full routine – including the part where you leave the toy somwhere. To start with I would maybe do a warm up, stay, short sequence, reward with food throws and than run to the food pocket for jackpot. So he is not exclusively “obsessed” with the food pocket but knows that the reward can come from you at any point even if he sees nothing on you.March 26, 2022 at 7:49 pm #18488Thanks for the feedback about show environment. Will definitely give it a go next time.
Here is just n video of today’s session working on some turns. I was quite surprised that he actually offered turns on his own terms.
I have also started not to give him good out of the toy for every single effort. I have now started working on better efforts receive play and food, otherwise we just play – I’m not too sure if this is correct, so please let me know what you think about that. At shows I will still reward him with play and food for every effort for now.
March 28, 2022 at 11:42 am #18509Generally nice. I would maybe try to mix it up with some straight line drills and crazy food throws wraps, so you keep things interesting. He is a pragmatic boy so he needs some sort of stimulation Rather than just boring repetitions.
And making things less predictable/variating the value of the reward falls in the same category, so it is perfectly ok to not give him food every time. It is ok to do all kinds of variations. Less playing, more playing, food/no food, just chasing with no bite opportunity between two wings… all is ok, just watch out for signs of frustration or luck of motivation. It can build up over time so if you see that happening, ease down on him.April 28, 2022 at 5:59 pm #18865Had a quick session after work. Mixed upnsome of the lessons. I wasn’t planning on doing the jumping stuff, but he seemed willing so I gave it a try. In hindsight I think I should have not done it and rather should have just done work around a cone.
May 3, 2022 at 3:31 pm #18892Overall he did really good considirenig it was pretty “technical” training and not just fun and games. You kept him engaged through it all and reacted well to his mistakes. So I was happy to see all that. In general I think it would be better for him to just do speed encouraging speedy, easy sequences with him, so he develops a habit of just “letting loose” on the field and running as fast as he can. But you can try and teach him some skills in a totally different environment – preferably indoors with less distractions and as a plain and simple shaping game. Once you get to the point where he is consistently “fired up” on the course it will be easier to add technicalities, especially if he has some idea about them from the shaping games already.
At this point, “in”’s were a bit too tricky, I feel it was more about reading your handling than actually understanding what it is about. So it worked with low speed and not anymore when he viewed it as agility (combining the two jumps together). I also like to use a clear verbal for this, so the dog is reminded that something out of the ordinary is happening so he should pay better attention. So that is just for further refference, but for now I don’t think that those things are important for him at this point. You can do “outs” in sequences if you are there to support them, and I would probably avoid all “in”’s because you are probably fast enough to switch in such situations anyway. We don’t want him to have to think too much… he is a thinker as it is. 🙂 -
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