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March 9, 2022 at 10:56 pm #18181
Hi!
I have a one year old Toller that LOVES food. She is pretty obsessed with food to the point of really focusing on my hands – especially if they get close to a pocket 🙂 For food rewarding she is easily able to have some control (ie not take the food until cued) from a bowl, hand, tossed, lotus ball or on the ground. With Our toy play – not so much. I don’t think she finds toy play rewarding enough. She might play for a bit but as soon as work is involved she would ignore the toy and sniff. And some days are better than others – but I’m not sure why. She is not a big tugger; but her bite is a bit off (for tollers they should be scissor, but she is closer to level); so not sure if that plays into it or not.
So looking forward to this class!
Chris & Bits
March 10, 2022 at 9:02 pm #18193Welcome! 🙂
March 11, 2022 at 6:15 am #18207Here is our first game of poke me. https://youtu.be/aO3hE5fjGkM
I got her interested in interacting with my hand by moving it around with small jerky movements. I was a little worried that this would not go well as I had used it’s your choice to proof against taking good off of the floor but she seemed to take to this game very nicely.March 11, 2022 at 7:22 am #18208Here is our first and second pocket toy. We have not played this game before. I got a little greedy in the first set and put too much pressure on her. She had been poking the pocket with her nose or pawing it and I wanted her to put her teeth on it. Gave her a five min break and tried again. On the 2nd set she went in with her mouth.
My thought to keep is to stay at this slow pace until she is readily picking up the toy with enthusiasm. Is that the right thing to do?
March 11, 2022 at 2:23 pm #18212What a handsome girl and cool name! 🙂 Poke me went really well! You have nice feeling and timing. Given that she is food obsessed it is not a game you have to do a lot, unless you feel like she could benefit from being more confident and pushy overall. Generally I would just “throw it in” now in a mix with food throws and hide and seek, so that she is familiar with this concept if you want to use as a special reward sometimes.
Food pocket – I see two things happening in this session. In the beginning she was getting into searching for and trying to get to the food on her own – but at one point (as you noticed) it got a bit too much for her so she switched from natural curiosity and “hunting” behaviour to trying to guess what you like and “offering” behaviours to you. Both those things are useful – but for now I would like to focus on the first one, so we can really allow and encourage her drive to turn on. I wouldn’t worry about her not putting it in her mouth at the moment – because as soon as she is clear to hear that it is up to her to catch it to enjoy it, she will be more determinate and when the toy starts to move faster, she will use her mouth because paws won’t do the trick anymore. So for now just focus on being as much “out of the picture” as possible – move the toy really slowly at first you can also do just tiny jerky moves and pause it. Like fish flapping on land… You can fill the pocket full, so you don’t have to take it up in between repetitions. Just gently push her away with one hand while you move the toy with the other to start the next chase. When you feel she is getting more and more involved, slowly speed up the chase, but just straight lines, don’t change directions yet. If it gets too much for her at some point, just let the toy rest on the ground for a while and reward her when she goes to sniff it again.March 13, 2022 at 2:42 am #18232Do last night we played around with the food toss game. We play a version of this already (but the toss with a sideways catch was new). I though Bits was pretty fluid and happy. Let me know if you see any specific to work in here.
The we played with the food pocket. I think this went better and she seems to be starting to figure out what to do. Continue on with more like this? I tried to make it fish like but she was grabbing it to fast ?
And lastly before I try the engagement game, Bits already vocalizes quite loudly when she wants to push me. See a clip below where she does this at the start of a sequence. This is a pretty mild example. While I like the attitude, I would much prefer a jump up on me than a toller yelling at me. Any specific recommendations before I try?
March 14, 2022 at 2:09 pm #18247Really great improvement with the food pocket! She is much more intense and “into it”, not anymore trying to figure out what is it that you want from her. You can see that in how determinately she goes after the bag and she doesn’t let go if it is not hers to use immediately. When you see that attitude you can easily try one round of a much faster chase, just make sure you don’t tease her by swiping the toy left and right in front of her nose – at first make the chase fast but straight and let go as soon as she bites into it.
Food throws – nice, I can see she knows this one as she engages immediately after getting each one. You can make it a faster game when you have the space available – throw one, run as far as you can get while she is after that first treat and when she is catching up with you (but before she really does), throw the next one, than turn around and repeat… 🙂 The goal is to develop as much speed as possible even just using food. When you are about to stop (because it is quite tiresome if done correctly – up to 5 reps are enough in one go), you can throw on ein the air as she is passing.
Barking – yes tollers are known for their screaming so I get that you are not trying to encourage that. 🙂 We can try to “shape it out” starting somwhere where she doesn’t get as excited as in agility ring. Will she jump on you in other situations? If she does, we can try setting up engagement game in a way that encourages that and mark and reward it every time it happens. If she doesn’t normally do it, we should teaching it first. In the mean time when she is engaged and about to/already starting to bark, you can lure her/ask her to do a different behavior, such as nose touch, figure 8 between your legs or even just lie down/sit/stand or a random combination of those.
March 20, 2022 at 9:26 pm #18344Hi.
This week we continued to work on the pocket game. I’m seeing improvement! Question, do we need to be careful about marking? I’m not meaning to, but I’m finding that I’m falling into a pattern. I found in most cases I say super and then open the pouch. And in some cases I’m saying super after Bits has let go… (worried that I might be marking the out as opposed to the interaction).
I’m the video below she does get distracted (maybe I had been trying too long?). But to be fair there was a lot of food spillage as that is where I first opened the pocket.Below we are playing the good toss game with a bit of run. I think she liked it!
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Chris Chromy.
March 21, 2022 at 12:12 pm #18360Yes, nice progress with food pocket! Based on her enthusiasm I would say she is at a point where you can upgrade the chase to what is pretty much a normal toy chase – just make sure you give her enough fair chances to catch it and not jerk it out of her reach too often in a row. Changing direction sometimes is perfectly fine to present some challenge and provoke her a little… but than offer her a nice straight chase (where you just run away dragging the toy behind) so she can catch it.
“Question, do we need to be careful about marking?”
Good question. But the main thing that will prevent early releases is to stick to the rule that she has to win the toy first and than get a treat. So if she releases before you had planned to let it go, don’t give her food, have her catch it again. She needs to know that the objective here is not to please you but to catch the toy and fight for it until she wins it. So for example after 2.10 when she releases… just have the toy escape again. That is the most important part of this game. It is not trying to guess what pleases the owner but focusing on catching the “pray”.And yes, food throws looking good! When you have a chance you can include a tunnel or a jump and have her run through/over on the way to each throw. It is not exact training, so don’t correct her if she misses… just try to help her more the next time. Dogs usually miss if the distance between where they pick up the treat and the obstacle is too small, so when they turn to follow you, they get out of line.
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