Forums Let`s play – Spring 2022 Students Minna and Supi, pyrenean shepherd 1,5years

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  • #18967
    Minna Päivärinta
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      Maybe I should start to play with net balls, without release at first. He runs well after a rolling net ball, much eagerly thanother kind of balls. But it’s only one throw?

      #18970
      Minna Päivärinta
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        Food engagement game. I think he did very nicele, tried to teach also jump on me. In the beginning he offered hinself a jump which was outside camera and I was very happy about that! I played in the end without release tries.

        #18972
        Polona Bonač
        Keymaster

          “Yes, net balls all kind are his favourite, but most difficult to get the release. His teeth are stuck in there.. Therefore I have not played with them now. Also I noticed that he refused to play with net balls without rope, maybe becuse of the pressure and release problem.”
          Try one session with 2 nett balls on rope and never ask him to release one. Just play with one, let him win, give him some time than try to switch to the second one by creating a chase. If he is chasing well you can randomly also decide to throw just before he has a chance to ctach it. I am curious to see how he does with the balls.

          “Yes, I try to do without expectations? I think my expectations are the thing that somehow creates the pressure. So it’s my own head also which needs to be developed and not to hurry.”
          Yes, expectations can be mood killers, no matter how much we try to mask them, dogs can feel some form of pressure. But that is life… We can’t beat ourselves up too much. It is just good to keep reminding ourselves to try and see positive and have fun, rather just focus on what is missing.

          How much would you do behaviours? I have noticed that somwhow food is better for him, if he can work for it a little bit? I also think I could do more tricks to get him offer better. With tricks he eats with pleasure.
          With behaviors you mean tricks? I think you can definitelly have some shaping session on the schedule. Interestingly enough many dogs that generally have troubles coping with pressure, never feel pressured in shaping and love it. It also makes food more interesting. So you can sure have a couple sessions per week devoted to different kind of shaping sessions – it is not so important exactly what you teach, just the process itself as it will give him confidence and make understanding of agility elements easier.

          “And not yet behaviours added with tugging toy? I think he may need some more time to get the release work.”
          You can end every session with some tugging for now, but not switch from tugging back to asking for behaviors, so you don’t have to take the toy. With tugging I noticed on the video you can still use the lenght of the toy more. You are more or less letting him win out of the phase where you are active. So for example at 1.59, rather than letting him go, first move him to the side and let him pull a little before letting go or upping the pressure again.

          And yes, he did great with engagement and jumping up. It looked like he is really liking it. Try it again sometimes in a different environments. 🙂

          #18981
          Minna Päivärinta
          Participant

            Hi, here is a play with netballs. I think he played netter than last time when we have played with these balls. He sometimes graps not the ball but the rope and the toy is then very short. I think he (and me) have a habit for taking grip too near, because he learned to play with my gloves. I try to pay attention to that on my side.
            Maybe he is with these balls a little bit more ”tense”, he doesn’t gallop after me and I feel that he is a bit passive. How does it look like? I felt he would switch well and actually he released as well as our usual toy! I was happy about that!

            #18982
            Minna Päivärinta
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              Here is a session with food jumps and some offering. Wing he offered himself also. You are right that he never feels pressured when he offers himself. He is just very ”slow” offerer compared to my other dog (who is the opposite, offers all the time something and too much) that I feel myself that I need to help him to be more active? He wanted to play himself after offerings, sometimes if I try to start the play after food and he still would like to do with food, he feels pressured and doesn’t want to play. I have therefore played after food only if he does the initiates it and graps for the toy which is in my hind pocket. I had net balls again and I think he was more relaxed than in previous video. In this video, he doesn’t come after me once, instead starts to chew the netball. He has never done this before with netballs but he has done this with squeeky balls which we have started to play. What should I do when he starts to chew the toy on his own. He has the same with balls without rope.

              #18986
              Polona Bonač
              Keymaster

                First some more about tugging – overall it looks good! It is ok if he chooses to keep the distance close (bite close to where you are holding the toy). In the active phase that is perfectly ok and what he wants in that moment apparently. If you can no longer prolong the distance when you want to take some pressure off, you can simply turn away from him and keep him behind your back. Now about his reactions – in the beginning of the session he is always full of some nervous energy and therefore more active in both phases. Once he lets some steam out and also begin to feel more comfortable, he gets less intense. But that is ok. When you take pressure off him, you don’t have to wait for his action, you can simply give him some time to “rest” before upping the pressure again. If he chooses to show strenght in that phase you of course acknowledge that, but if he doesn’t… no worries either. After some time you bring him in front again/shorten the distance/intensify your action… and restart the cycle. Or sometimes I would also just turn towards the toy and keep the toy relatively still (just make sure that the tension is still very high) and just do one isolated “pressure action” suce as very slowly “zooming in” on his face or reaching for him with the free hand, giving him a small nudge and quickly taking pressure away again.
                When the toy is big and is floping around dogs usually tend to go slower/goof around with it a little. It doesn’t bother me at all. One thing you could add is some more “in between” – like for example at 0.45 – I would try to sneak my way up to him and act scared or caught in action when he looks up, running away… see what he does. The more “passive” phases of the game are normal too, it doesn’t have to be crazy action all the time. It can be, but it is tiering for a dog and they won’t be able to play like that always and for as long as you want them to.

                I really love the second session! So far I don’t mind his attitude in shaping – he doesn’t loose focus or interest, he is simply a more thoughtful guy. I actually prefer that vs the dogs that are hectically trying to do 10 things at once, especially since it usually only gets worse with age. 😀 Cats are funny this way. They do very little but think so much in between that basically almost every try is improvement based on the previous one. 😀 So as long as he is not loosing focus to the point that there is no continuation in session, I am prefectly fine with every pace they choose. And overall you designed that session well – some work some play… nice structure and sessions like this def. Improve overall working ethic of the dog.
                And as for your question about chewing – just switch in “in between” mode with little provocations until he engages again. 🙂

                #18993
                Minna Päivärinta
                Participant

                  Thanks! Yes, I have tried in between behaviours with squeeky balls and I think he loves it when I chase him a bit and he runs away a bit and starts to chew the ball. Then I have started to play with another ball. I have mostly played with squeeky balls inside, because somehow he plays better there, at the moment when I come downstairs in the morning.
                  Here is the session from this morning. My plan was to do some backing onto the pillow and food jumps with food. However, he noticed the toys in my pocket and wasn’t very keen on working with food. He started to shake himself (which I see usually when he is frustrated) and he dropped food because I tried to throw it, not good. I did some food jumps and let him play. I think he played quite well, once I try in between this sneaking onto him and he was a bit surprised because I haven’t done with these toys it. He sometimes now doesn’t come after me with tugging toys, somehow he has learned it from ball games. However he comes to play well with another toy without any cues. I think he releases very well now. I have mostly rewarded him with another toy and he starts to anticipate it a bit. I have done once in a session so that I reward him with the same toy and it went well. How should I proceed with releases, or do I still continue like this?
                  After play, I worked a bit with food and he was better than before the play. I think I should do food plays only in the evening, when he is more hungry. I think he is much eager then.

                  #19018
                  Polona Bonač
                  Keymaster

                    Overall really good session, nice tugging! When you work with food make sure the toys are well hidden and not on display for him, it will be easier for him to stay focused. Than you can jackpot with toy in random moments, sometimes really soon, sometimes late in the session… And given that he was happy to go back to food after playing, you can do some more food catches and stuff after you take the toy away.

                    When you were going for “in between” I think you had a good chance he would chase you if you ran away from him at around 1.41 – when he was alert and playful, wagging his tail, observing what you plan to do next. If he doesn’t follow you you can try to sneak up to him again and escape again if he notices you like that… sometimes it takes 2 or three tries before they follow. If he gets “locked” on the toy and doesn’t notice you at all, switching to other toy is a good idea but sometimes you can even sneak all the way there and try to steal the toy.

                    For releases I would just continue the same work yes! He is in a good state of mind, cooperative and not “locking” himself onto toys.

                    #19023
                    Minna Päivärinta
                    Participant

                      Thanks! Our session before this was a bit too difficult for him (or me). I think I did too many releases, maybe four and actually he releases now very well and starts to anticipate. Also I heard that my baby was crying all the time with my man so it was too much disturbance for us both. Then he suddenly stopped the play and started to lick my face like ”don’t worry mum”. I tried not to make it a big issue and we played a bit then after a pause.

                      In this session I tried to sneak into the toy when he started to bite it. Here I think also he starts to anticipate releasing the toy and once he dropped the toy without any cue after he had won it (he noticed it and went after the toy again?). Overall I think his balance between play and releases is now quite good and I think he has activated to pull and shake himself!

                      #19041
                      Polona Bonač
                      Keymaster

                        I am sorry… I ran into some unexpected problems this week. I will add time to make up for it.
                        Sure, not every session is always good… dogs have bad days, we have bad days or the external circumstances are hard… it is important to except it as part of life and not think too much of it… It is great that you don’t let it bring you down.
                        It seems like releasing the toy no longer frustrates him. 🙂 That is really good! He is less nervous and more constructively active in playing if you know what I mean? If he is not responding when you are “stalking”, you can quickly escape from him with a second toy if you have it on you, or even go and take the one he has and start tugging again (if he doesn’t let go), or start a chase (if he does).
                        The only thing is – don’t always do the same… make it unpredictable, so he doesn’t start developing behaviors to avoid your strategies.
                        And as for tugging – looks really nice, my feeling is still that maybe sometimes you don’t want to let him win if he is not active first – which is generally ok, but if it takes too long you can simply just “drag” him forward and let go when you feel he is leaning back to resist it, without actually pulling actively.

                        #19059
                        Minna Päivärinta
                        Participant

                          Yes, thank you? We kept a little with training. Then we have done some training with lotus ball which has improved and also squeeky balls start to be more interesting now. It’s difficult to take a video, especially with balls because we move quite a lot. Also I think food has improved and I have mostly done foos jumps when we are on walk in the forest, for some reason he is very eager there. Maybe he is relaxed and in the garden he may wait for the toy or going onto the walk and he feels the food as a disappointment.
                          I think he releases the toy very good, I think sometimes too good, he anticipates a lot. Here he started to play with a new toy in my hand but sometimes it’s difficult for him and he quits playing and comes to lick my face. It seems to be easier if I throw the new toy. In the end I say to him ”that’s enough” and he takes my hat and plays a bit with it but then he wants to quit and I think he feels somehow pressured and he starts to lick my face somehow nervously and shake himself. Then he goes to sniff something for some time (I edited some time away) and comes and wants to play again and I play. It’s not seen on the video but I did a release and he didn’t want to play anymore after that. Maybe it was too much but somehow these releases make him pressured and he quits. Or then it was just too much in a one play session. Also I think I somehow feel anxious myself ”what about if he feels pressured and stops” and I’m a bit afraid of that. I think I would need some advice what to do when he suddenly stops and comes to lick my face. I have tried not to care, but I think sometimes he sees that I’m a bit worried and it’s not good because he is extremely sensitive.

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