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Polona Bonač.
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December 31, 2018 at 10:38 am #9019
Ok, looks good! Yes, it is normal that they are slow at this stage – or let’s say – as fast as they want to be, because it is really just a shaping exercise. But I find it really important for later on, because otherwise your movement and the action itself can get so overwhelming, that the dog has hard time focusing on what to do. You need to be sure they understand it REALLY well. For next step take two plates/bowls and put one on each end, slightly out of line, so plate-target-plate form a subtile C shape. There has to be at least 2m between the plates and the target. So starting from one plate, you let her offer you the target, but you follow her and you give her the reward on the second plate. And than same going backwards. You can also use the food machine here on one end. So it saves you some walking. 🙂 So basically she goes from one plate to another through the target while you first walk next to her slowly and than gradually faster and faster.
January 2, 2019 at 5:14 pm #9040Happy New Year, Polona! I wish it to be promising and very happy for you 😉
Here is our video from the last training few days ago
From the beginning it wasn’t easy to make a connection with her. I think I made a mistake practising start before the course.But well, i realised it too late … I made few tricks and then started to run, i think it helped her to create some fun and wish to chase me. As she didn’t give all her efforts for the first run, after joyful reward I repeated the same course once again (i don’t know, maybe it wasn’t a very good idea). As always, it looks she was faster, but then i failed at the end, damn it… 😀 (please, don’t ask me, what i was planning to do at the end…). Then we made a break and run another course. I was trying to reward her with a ball, but it is obvious she wasn’t concentrated to it. So, again, I repeated the course from the beginning trying to engage her to feel fun, but I am not sure if i succeeded. I think simply it wasn’t one of her best days :-).
So far that’s all. Today we will do exercise with a target you described above.
January 3, 2019 at 8:35 am #9041this is our target game with C shape
Few times she get distracted, started to sniff, maybe I dropped a piece of food accidentally, so just waited silently while she comes back to the game. Overall I felt she was quite concentrated and motivated to get food.
What do you think?
January 3, 2019 at 9:59 am #9048Yes, she wasn’t in the best mood in the training. I can see it. But the second repetition of each course was not bad. I was trying to suggest starting with some starts, but you said you did – were you doing it on the same starting spot as for the sequence or in some other way? How many repetitions? Was there some break in between training starts and doing the sequence? Perhaps all of it doesn’t matter and it just wasn’t one of her best days, we all have bad ones… 🙂
Target good! If you have a chance to practise outside – you can put the bowls slightly more in line with the target (not completely), increase the distance and start running along (gradually, start with walking) to try and increase speed. You could also reward with a throw sometimes. Food throw or ball throw. Chestnuts would be great too, but I don’t think you have them in your freezer. 😉
January 3, 2019 at 10:54 am #9049“I was trying to suggest starting with some starts, but you said you did – were you doing it on the same starting spot as for the sequence or in some other way? How many repetitions? Was there some break in between training starts and doing the sequence?”
“Start exersises” I did with other obstacles at the beginning of other course, I mean not with these ones which we run later. It was totally different course, even to opposite direction from the ones which we were training later. We did 4-5 “start” repetitions, a break was approx. 5-10 mins. Maybe that was the problem – too short break? But in the start exercises she wasn’t sprinter as well, she was trying but didn’t put all efforts.
I have a suspicion that other obstacles was distracting her – when she sees lot of stuff around and have to run straight 15 meters without any action, its not usual agility training. If you remember, in our last start training session she chose A frame instead of trying to chase me. Sometimes I don’t have possibility to “clean” all field and make lot of free space without any agility stuff (I mean to destroy standing course, because it will be used for other groups). Some barriers or tunnels stand from the sides in 1-2 meters distance.
What do you think, can it affect general concentration or it is just a small detail and I should try other things to motivate and attract her attention??
I will try to prepare max free space in the next session and check whether it works better.I will try to play target outside. This week we have some snow, but not so much to disturb running. 🙂
And I still have some chestnuts!, but it will be lost in the snow, no chance to use it now. 😀-
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Kristina Jugulyte.
January 3, 2019 at 9:54 pm #9054Next time try starts with the beginning of the sequence. And yes, try to give her longer break – but all and all I think it just wasn’t her day. Bunch of obstacles around would make every dog confused. So when you can’t clear it up at least partly (so she doesn’t have to run just a m or 2 away from the obstacle without taking it) start closer to the first jump so everything makes sense to her. 15m is not a definite rule. As much as you can without totally confusing her.
January 6, 2019 at 8:30 pm #9083We are still practicing target
Watching the video at home I saw, that it was few times when she was cheating – jumped over the target. I didnt notice it during the training and didnt correct it.
In the evening we repeated the same C frame target game at home. After morning training outside, she was more motivated and faster, also tried to run (as fast as it is possible at home on the carpet) and always touched target, i mean didnt jump over it. Maybe she was too excited outside and was too hurry to catch the food and thats why she was cheating… Will practice furtherJanuary 7, 2019 at 4:15 pm #9089Yeah, for the most part of the session she wasn’t really focused on the target. She didn’t recognise the exercise immediately so she was just trying to read something from your body language. She got much better around third minute. When changing location or whenever I see the dog is not quite sure what to do, I usually start with just a simple shaping, just what you did when you started this exercise. So you are passive and the dog has time to realise it is all about the target.
And yes, it is quite important to be able to see if the dog actually hit it or not. For me it was really helpful to use a beeping mat at first – and dogs often love it too, it gives them almost the same pleasure as a squeaking ball. 🙂 But if you decide to use it, test it first, as some dogs can also be afraid of the sound (it is quite loud :)) so in such case I muffle it with some blanket over the sound box.
The mat I use is this one: https://www.amazon.com/B7-HIDDEN-PRESSURE-ACTIVATED-ALARM-INTRUDER/dp/B0045U4MNC, but I remember it to be cheaper than this, so if you decide to buy it, search the internet first. Something similar would work as well. As long as it is touch activated.January 10, 2019 at 1:23 pm #9119Thank you very much for the link, I will look for it.
Meanwhile, we have tried to do target few times more. At home she does it better, touches target with all four paws. When we did it in agility field, few times she jumped over (I asked my friend to watch the process, because I cant always clearly see it while I am running), also it was few times, when she touched the target with 2 paws, I mean right front paw ant right back paw. Unfortunately i didn’t film it. But she was more concentrated, just because of hurrying to get food she was still cheating. Next time i will do everything little bit slower, to show her that she must do it the same as at home. Will show you the result later.And we are practising other lessons as well. This is video from yesterday training.
I cant find the “button” to make her run faster. She was rested enough, she was hungry enough, even she had to be missing me enough. But still she was running in her usual speed.
After the run I also did few start positions. It looks she is watching after me, we have a contact, i try to tease her and she is ready to go with a full speed, but when I give start sigh, she is like “hm, ok, if you say so, lets go” 😀 . This is my Myle 🙂 .And one more try with the same course, the beginning was slightly different. Maybe this way of beginning she enjoyed more, but i am not sure. The overall attitude was the same.
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Kristina Jugulyte.
January 11, 2019 at 1:02 am #9131First contacts – as weird as it sounds in this class – don’t obsess about speed on target right now. Rather take it slow and make sure all hits are correct and very rational. I wouldn’t let her make too many mistakes, because if you ignore them, she will learn nothing and if you don’t, she will get frustrated or switch into a “slow and correct” mode which we also don’t want. Go with shaping as long as you can – so you can start each session with just letting her offer touching the target and coming back to you. Than walking slowly next to the target, throwing in each direction and finally bowls and speeding up… This whole process can only take a few repetitions for each step, or you can spend the whole session on step 1. Depending on how focused she is.
“I cant find the “button” to make her run faster. ”
Usually there is no button. 🙂 Just training consistently and smart and because the progress is so little, you can’t even see it until you look back completely. In my opinion this session was not so bad – I think she is more engaged, keeping more contact with the ground – better accelerations. That start at 2.04 was a bit unfortunate, because you released her pretty soon after a “twitch” she made out of expectation. She was still in “oou, I almost made a mistake” mode when you released her, so she was slightly unsure. On the second video the start itself is much better. And I think her speed from starting point to that first tunnel was really great. Even coming out she was still fast, but than she gradually adopted her working speed again. So I think just practising starts will have a long term effect (it already has IMO) so I wouldn’t give up on them just yet. Try to release when her whole body gets really tense… And than reward in very random places. Sometimes soon, sometimes not so soon. If you go for a long(er) course, just go with something like you did before – running a short sequence twice.January 14, 2019 at 10:57 pm #9159We had a good training on weekend which I am really happy about 🙂 . Myle was motivated, I felt she was having fun at the field.
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As you advised, I was practicing it on the same sequance which we run. I think her speed was quite good, despite the 3 try when she started without the command (I didnt correct her because this doesnt repeat in our usual trainings, so simply ignored).
And after that I tried another strategy – to put food on the ground after the barrier. I am not sure if it is a good idea to put food in running course, because thinking logically, the dog begins to stop at some point before the food… But this time it worked, Myle’s speed increased. She was very eager to take bites. Later I changed food place and put it after the tunnel, at her first run she was trying to cut her way and reach food escaping the tunnel (you will see it), next try was good. In a long and normal courses probably it would be difficult to do the same, but maybe this could be a good strategy for our start trainings and her speed increase exercises, what do you think? On summer we did the same putting toys on the grass and competing who will be first, I dont know why, but Myle likes this kind of “game”.Also we tried front chaining running idea.
First run was fast, second little bit slower. The third one she was quite fast again, despite the strange beginning, where she looks scared because I raised her and put on the opposite side from the course – this time we begin from the same line, she had to run around the cone.
And the last job on weekend training was target. I started with simply shaping, then C frame and slower walking, later C frame and faster walking + running. During the training I could swear that she touches target 100 %, I was watching all the time, but now looking at the video I am not so sure, because at some phases she was running fast and now I cant see clearly. Target part didnt took very long, I tried to do few each phase repetitions and release her without mistakes. We also repeat the same sequence at home with her dinner.
Is it ok or we can improve it somehow to get better result?
January 15, 2019 at 11:17 pm #9170Cool! I really like the first start! 🙂 The second one not so much, but she was in a weird mood, not really wanting that toy already before you turned her around. Whenever she is not interested, try not to poke her, because even if it sometimes works in that moment, it almost never works in a long run, because the dog is a bit agitated, not really happy and pushy. So instead, I would run in the opposite direction, dragging the toy behind. That usually stimulates them to chase, so you can circle back and start with a better energy. Also when tugging, try not to shake the toy all the time, sometimes just keep pulling her upwards and let her resist. If she is pulling strong, let the toy slip through your hands little by little… So she will feel very strong and in control. After a while you can let go completely, or re-grip the toy with both hands again – shorten the distance between you2 and continue with some more energetic tugging,…
Target – looks ok. Sometimes when she is really in a hurry she tries to cut the C a little. So you can try doing either less of a C and more of a straight line or one bowl in a straight line (the one you start with) and the other one more to the left or right so she needs to make more of a turn after touching the target. Combine both approaches and also still do just touching the target and coming back to you.
January 16, 2019 at 12:36 pm #9179Polona, and what about this part:
“And after that I tried another strategy – to put food on the ground after the barrier. I am not sure if it is a good idea to put food in running course, because thinking logically, the dog begins to stop at some point before the food… But this time it worked, Myle’s speed increased. She was very eager to take bites. Later I changed food place and put it after the tunnel, at her first run she was trying to cut her way and reach food escaping the tunnel (you will see it), next try was good. In a long and normal courses probably it would be difficult to do the same, but maybe this could be a good strategy for our start trainings and her speed increase exercises, what do you think? On summer we did the same putting toys on the grass and competing who will be first, I dont know why, but Myle likes this kind of “game”.”Do you think it is a good way increasing her speed?
January 16, 2019 at 7:43 pm #9191Oh yes, sorry. Yes, I think it is perfectly fine! It is like some people leave toys where they want to finish the course. It is a static reward. I think it is perfectly fine, especially since she really seems to like it. You can also use it in longer sequences, but make sure she doesn’t have to run next to it in the middle part of the course. When you have someone there to help you, you can also have the assistant place the plate while you are running.
Separately from agility course, you can practise control with the static toy. Leave the plate with food on the ground, take her a few m away, ask for a few tricks, reward them from the hand and as jackpot, tell her to “go go go”, point and run towards the plate yourself and when you get there, add additional treats and keep talking to her in a happy voice. It is actually not bad at all if she knows to run to the static reward, because you can have a plate/Tupperware ready for her at the end of every run on competitions as well. 🙂 -
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