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April 12, 2022 at 12:58 pm #18699
Ok! So take the short tunnel and fix it well. Start with static toy right at the exit of the tunnel. If you are in a hurry and you don’t want to deal with “in between”, switching toys and stuff, you can also use a plate with food or T&T to avoid “wasting time”. So the reward is placed right at the exit – so the dog has to basically stop in the tunnel to get it. Send her from the side – from the middle of the tunnel so she has very sharp no speed entry. Do that a couple of times and than start moving the reward to the side slowly. Both sides randomly. Do it until the toy is “around the corner” at the side of the tunnel – I hope you know what I mean. Depending on how things go you can start adding some more speed at the entry – making the entry angle bigger. As soon as the reward is no longer in center, you can start using a clear verbal to indicate what is going to happen. Say it as soon as you send her in. She needs this information before going in so there is enough time to process.
Let me see how it goes. 🙂April 22, 2022 at 10:04 pm #18811Was waiting for response, but saw now that my post didn’t get through earlier this week, haha! Oh well, hope you had a great easter!
So here’s the first session with tunnel turns. Hope I understood your instructions. I chose to use a toy to work on my in betweens as well, as that is my main goal with the class. Some went good, some I’m sure could be better 🙂 How does the session look to you and what to plan for next session?
April 26, 2022 at 11:56 am #18840Sorry this took super long aparently… I got really sick over the weekend. :/
Yes, you understood my instructions perfectly! You can see how first time she wasn’t really prepared to decelerate, so she threw herself over the ball, but than she figured it out and did nice decelerations with a turn. I am not sure about your commands, but I think “vienom?” Just means tunnel or? I would start introducing an additional cue that tells her that she has to collect and turn. You can have a combination of direction + tunnel cue or make up totally individual cue for it… up to you. But she needs to know in advance to start decelerating. So apart from that I would also slowly add more speed (first less angle, than more distance) and as a test of understanding, mix things up with straight exits.
In between – from what I could tell it looked good! She is not often in frame (normally) so I can’t really see the details of her reactions, but she seems to be responsive. 🙂 When you are actually training something and they have to use their brain it is typical for them to be less willing to come after they are already a bit tired. So it is important to stay patient and give them time when that happens.
Overall your dynamic looks good, but you can also start teaching the “play trick” so you can ultimatelly have an immediate retrieve when you need it. Although in my experiences if you do “in between” correctly over a period of time (months, it is not a quick fix) you barely ever have the need to actually “demand” a retrieve. 🙂May 2, 2022 at 10:03 pm #18880I fell off a bit filming and posting here, but I have to say I love the class and I will really make the most out of the rest during break and after! We competed last weekend and I love how our “new” set of playing feels so good in the warm up!
Interesting that I should give the tunnel turn cue before she enters the tunnel. Really makes sense of course.
Today I wanted to show you play trick. Worked on that a lot before, especially delivering balls to my hand. So felt she did good?
BUT as soon as we are tugging, she has tended to run off on victory runs and playing on her own. Feels like it’s getting better, but still I feel stressed when she runs off. (Maybe then I should run opposite direction or sneak into her like we’ve practiced in class, but my natural response is to control it/call her, not let her run away ?)
Just tried to do some different stuff. Very glad for any thoughts on what you see and what I should do from here ?
May 3, 2022 at 2:58 pm #18889“ I fell off a bit filming and posting here, but I have to say I love the class and I will really make the most out of the rest during break and after! We competed last weekend and I love how our “new” set of playing feels so good in the warm up!”
Great! Happy to hear that. 🙂 How was she running?I think she did absolutely great on this video! Yes, she does get playfull when it is no longer just a trick, BUT she did control herself and returned to you when you asked. Even when she had quite some fun on her own with the toy on the bungee. Squeaky toys are always the hardest to retrieve because they are really rewarding on its own… still she followed along and wanted to include you. Around 2.30 when you were running around and she was following, you were not using the tugging moments really well – you were really “dominant” and dismissed her quickly… it wasn’t really interactive… make sure there is an exchange of power in every tugging bit. Or if anything, you can just “drag” her around slowly… without frontal pressure. That too can be rewarding for the dog. You have to make the interaction pleasant, so she can see the benefit in bringing the toy back to you.
But I absolutely loved the last bit with you both on the ground and the green ball.So no, I wouldn’t be running away and such even if she takes a moment. Don’t call her back immediately, but when she comes, jackpot it with a round of food throws, so she gets to exchange action for action… it will be easier for her mentaly.
May 3, 2022 at 9:08 pm #18893Great to hear (and feel!) we both are getting better at this. Thanks for all of your tips! I will work on staying interactive and not dominant, yes. And good idea to reward with food throws when she returns as JP. I thought maybe I had to tug when she returned the tug toy? So good news if its not a problem to reward her coming back with food ?
Oh, the competition was fantastic! Our debut in grade 2. The most focused and fast she has ever been running! We really were a team in all 6 runs. And she turned out of some tunnels! Just minor mistakes. Even got a clean victory ?
Today I tested a bit with two toys. First two balls (didn’t find the second big green, so used small ones). Then the big fluffy tugging toys. And well – think I won’t use squeaky toys too much at the moment? ? It’s fun on her own, yes.
Think she’s doing well with the switch toy cue when I’m holding both. Harder when I release first. Easier with ball than tugging toy. Any comment is welcome, how does it look to you?
May 6, 2022 at 6:59 am #18911One more session before the break (please se the video over here as well) ?
Tunnel turns, giving turn-cue before entering tunnel. Maybe I moved a bit too fast forward, make sure she really decelerates and collects even better?
Good luck in Greece! ?
May 6, 2022 at 7:00 am #18912“I will work on staying interactive and not dominant, yes. And good idea to reward with food throws when she returns as JP. I thought maybe I had to tug when she returned the tug toy? So good news if its not a problem to reward her coming back with food”
It all depends on how rewarding a certain “component” of playing is for a dog. And even tugging itself can be more or less pleasant, depending on how you play. You can tug sometimes, but be mindful about it – let her take control at times so she aprechiates the interaction. Food helps to keep the dog in a “cooperative mode”. If you use food throws it is a transition from “the play trick” and “playing only”. The action has more value than food itself, so she is exchanging action for action, which is something she is more willing to do. So I find it to be a great tool for teaching the actual retrieve. Because my final goal with dogs is – I want them to enjoy playing and I will most often give them time to enjoy their “victories” and will do a lot of silly “in between” because I think that is the most fun part of the game for both of us. However I want to be able to also call the dog with the toy whenever I want and this part is what we are working on now. Not so that your play always looks “clean” – tug, retrieve, release, work,… but so when you drop the toy by accident or the dog steals it from you in the training process, you can get it back without making it really rewarding for the dog. Or the thing you want to reward the dog for is not enough for a full blown play… situations like that. 🙂Switching between two toys – I would stick to the non squeaking toys for that exercise for now. And maybe try squeaker with food throwing exchange. Either just with “in between” and reacting to her coming close with food throws or as an “play trick” exercise to begin with and gradually expanding it to some throwing/tugging beforehand.
With the non squeaking toys you can stick to holding the one you want her to release firmly for now. Or if she is free and not running around, shaking the toy (just wait when that happens), try to build up some anticipation first with your voice and posture and than present the second toy quickly and in a dynamic way.May 27, 2022 at 8:29 pm #18977Welcome back from Greece, hope you had fun!
I really feel this class so far has helped us becoming a better team! She even turns better out of tunnels now that I give her the cue before she enters. Several clean runs as well!
Here’s a video from play/warm up at our last trail. Last day, so we were both a bit tired. How does it look? I think I still need more advice on the tugging part? What should I plan for next sessions, you think?
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May 30, 2022 at 7:39 am #18985Wow that is great news! Congrats! 🙂
I loved the session on the video – she was really enjoying the cuddling and goofing around. I didn’t see any “wrongs”, you are getting pretty good at it, so in the next sessions I would focus on observing and learning how to read Zelda even better. See how her prefered style of playing changes during the session. Notice when she gets mentaly tired,… See how for example in this session she took the ball away after she had to do some tricks for it – nothing wrong with it, but it is a tell… that her brain is tired. Tricks and intensive tugging are more mentaly challenging than belly scratches and goofing around. You reacted to that “tell” perfectly by easing up on the intensity of the game and she came back eagerly.
So I suggest you just play and do not overthink while doing so. Follow your guts. But than watch the video and try to notice how her attitude changes throughout the game (it always does) and try to notice reasons for why things happen the way they happen. That way it will gradually find a way into your subcontious and you will be able to adjust to her feelings without even thinking about it. 🙂 -
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