Forums Let`s play Agility – Winter 2018 Students Elena & Indie, Miniature Schnauzer, 7 months old

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  • #8794
    Elena Gasparaki
    Participant

      i can get someone to help me 🙂
      i have not introduced the tunnel yet, should i begin with a small tunnel (maybe have it folded so that it is even smaller)?
      also i am running ahead of her through the jumps right?
      i was also thinking about multi wraps, i saw the video that Kristina posted, so i should do that, right (have her have one full wrap and then throw the food/toy in the direction so that she does another half circle)?

      also, i wanted to ask you about my other dog 🙂 he is 3,5, in A2 category (stuck for a while) and i think we could benefit from your classes. he needs motivation 🙂 i will let him rest for about a month, have some fitness exersises (he is 36,5cm tall and jumps at 40 🙁 ), but i was thinking that with the new year we could join one of your classes (maybe begin with LPA and then AAG-we are missing some basics for agility-thread, RC and other basic “moves”). BUT i have not done shaping with him and i am not sure whether he will offer behaviours so easily. anyway, will we be able to join any of your classes then? which one you believe would be more suitable? (i guess we will be working together with my little one for sometime so if we are welcomed i believe Eric would benefit as well) 🙂 sorry for the many questions once more 🙂

      #8799
      Polona Bonač
      Keymaster

        Start with small tunnel, but I don’t like it folded because the running surface becomes funny/uneven that way. Use the shortest one on the field and first you can just play around the entry and throw treats inside. When she is happy to go in to take the treat, you can try throwing further and further and see if you can send her in and run to the other side to call her out without her turning. If not, have an assistant hold her on one end and call her through.

        And yes, it sounds like Eric could benefit from the classes as well. While he is on a break from real agility, do LP stuff with him. After a while you can also try a little bit of shaping – why not? 🙂 No pressure, very easy things. Just as much as he is capable. It is not that we can’t do without, but dogs can learn to offer things at any age. And it is great for so many things…

        #8835
        Elena Gasparaki
        Participant

          sorry for not posting anything for 3 days 🙂
          i was planing on going in the field yesterday to try the tunel and the jumps but i have some serious back pains and i decided to get some rest 🙁
          so today i tried cik/cap with command as you have suggested.
          i think it went pretty well 🙂 i also wanted to try multiwraps but i forgot 🙂 🙂

          #8836
          Polona Bonač
          Keymaster

            No worries, it is not mandatory to post every day. 🙂 I hope you feel better soon!
            Overall she did well, but the more active you were, the more troubles she had focusing on the jump. I would like to avoid double checking and jumping on you as much as possible, so try first just walking + verbal cue, without waving your hands. (after some initial shaping, so she knows it is about the cone). Gradually walk faster and faster and start running along. You can gradually add a hand gesture as well, but don’t just wave, keep it up for a while after you point to the cone.

            #8843
            Elena Gasparaki
            Participant

              i am feeling better, thank you (with all the drugs and belt to help me move around) 🙂

              so today, i had the session i was eager for!
              Tunnel and jumps!
              i was really impressed about how soon she went in the tunnel..! it was the first time i tried it and no one was around to help me and i was not sure i was going to make it on my own but… TADAAAM!! 😀


              #8848
              Polona Bonač
              Keymaster

                Haha cool! The beginning was like little cartoon. 😀 But it is always like that if you don’t have an assistant. It would be easier if you first got her to run deeper in the tunnel after each treat, but you managed anyhow. 🙂 You can just play like this again next time – perhaps through a different tunnel and if she seems confident running through, add a wrap – first the wrap than the tunnel.

                Two jumps also ok, next time bigger distance between the two. 🙂 You can also try restraining her, throwing the ball and releasing her straight after, when she is still focused on the moving ball.

                #8865
                Elena Gasparaki
                Participant

                  i did the tunnel today (i was planning on doing some jumps also, but i did a bigger session of tunnel and did not want to do anything else). also, no other tunnel was available (there will be during the next time i go in). but i thought that since i trained during the night it is good that we used the same one (because of the shadows and all)
                  sorry for the lopsided video 🙂
                  i must admit that i am excited with her 🙂 especially when i see her running through the tunnel so happy!
                  but i forget she is just learning some times and i do not wait long enough for her in the tunnel entrance hehe

                  #8874
                  Polona Bonač
                  Keymaster

                    She is funny 🙂 And there is no hurry, you can take more time just doing shaping in the beginning and throwing the treats further and further inside, because she is still not perfectly comfortable going in that big black hole. 🙂 By doing more shaping, you can avoid having to use your hand to point exactly where you want her to go. I want her to find the tunnel as well as she can find the cone now. And try not to reward from the hand – ever. Because when you are running she has the tendency to look at you/jump at you and we want to let her know that all the good stuff come when you look ahead and take the obstacles no matter where your handler is at the moment. 🙂

                    #8878
                    Elena Gasparaki
                    Participant

                      she is a funny bunny 😛 😛
                      i was thinking about that when i was re-watching the video yesterday. I believe it would be better if i used the balls more since it is easier for me to send it away and she sees it better (she does not see the food when i am throwing it away and if i use bigger pieces she will choke 😛 such a little stomach 😛 ) – like i did at the end of the previous session. But maybe is hould do it with food throws and bigger pieces for some sessions, it will surely not hurt 🙂
                      Also, i was thinking about the cone and cik/cap exercises. Up to now i am letting her choose what wrap she will do and tell cik/cap accordingly. i believe is a bit early to discriminate, but maybe i should start telling the command earlier? i am a bit stuck there :/

                      #8884
                      Polona Bonač
                      Keymaster

                        Yes, you don’t have to throw giant pieces the whole training. But for speedy, running, forward focus exercises you could easily. She is a pup, so she doesn’t need tons of repetitions. If she gets up to 5 big pieces she won’t get fat nor choke. 😉

                        “Also, i was thinking about the cone and cik/cap exercises. Up to now i am letting her choose what wrap she will do and tell cik/cap accordingly. i believe is a bit early to discriminate, but maybe i should start telling the command earlier? i am a bit stuck there :/”
                        For now she is always turning towards you. So based on whether she is on your left or right you can tell which turn she is going to offer, even if she does it on her own. So you can send her off with a cue or say it when you see she is on her way already… She needs to slowly learn to react to your cue so yes, be aware of the direction and say them. In the beginning while she is already at it and later on in advance. Because she will be more confident about the exercise and offer it more independently. Try to avoid pointing anything with your hands. Because you will just make her rely on it, but it is a distraction at the same time, you don’t want the dog looking at you most of the time (when you do want that, you ask for it). You want her to have good focus on obstacles. Otherwise you will make her only as fast as you can run, because she will just follow your hands. For directions and rewards.

                        #8907
                        Elena Gasparaki
                        Participant

                          soooo i wanted to go to the field yestrday but it was poooring rain all day [also my back pains are back again 🙁 🙁 ] 🙁 so i am trying to make it fun for her inside the house, trying cik/cap around the table foot 🙂 🙂 (so that she understands that there will not be always a cone to go around 🙂 )
                          today i did the target in our yard. i have not practised this for some days and i guess i need bigger space to run. so i do not cosider it to be a good session :/

                          #8911
                          Elena Gasparaki
                          Participant

                            and here are today’s sessions in the field 🙂
                            What i believe it the most important think from today΄s session, is that when we were at the jumps, another doh was working besides us, but she did not even turned to look at him (even when i trhew a ball very close to him) 🙂 before we went in, she saw him from outside and barked but when we were working she was toootally focused <3

                            #8917
                            Polona Bonač
                            Keymaster

                              Sorry, I was teaching a seminar this weekend, not a lot of time left in the evening. 🙂
                              It is great to see her so eager and running so fast after a ball! She loved the game with the jumps. If she surprises you and runs over on her own, you can just throw the toy over her head. At this point it is good that she is independent and runs in front of you.
                              She is not the biggest fan of the tunnel, so she will need couple more sessions. I liked when you just walked up and down next to the tunnel, throwing treats on each end if she wen’t through. I wouldn’t use the hands much, because she only gets more focused on you. Just let her decide. Going through means a treat, going next to it gives her nothing. Do you have a strategy behind multi clicks? I always click just once, because it is just an information that whatever the dog did in that moment is what got them a treat. If I want to encourage them I use the voice.

                              Target training – I don’t think the problem was lack of space, but when you used the ball, she lost the focus on target completely. She was just watching you and just stepped on the target by accident while trying to get to the toy. So even when she did it, she didn’t really realise that she did it. So I wouldn’t use the toy just yet. First just throw food and be very passive. Than gradually add more and more movement but no hands. She needs to be focused on the target the whole time. So when she is not, make the game more passive again.

                              #8919
                              Elena Gasparaki
                              Participant

                                i hope you had fun during the seminar 🙂
                                OK my mistake with the multiple clicks 🙂
                                it just seems to confuse her if i click very early, she usually returns to me to take the treat. maybe i should click when she already reached the end of the tunnel.
                                also, it makes sense that she was a bit reserved, it was a different, bigger and darker tunnel than the last two times 😀 any way i will surely follow your advises.

                                about tunnel and jumps training, it is OK for now for me to stay behind, or should it try and run in parallel with her?

                                #8924
                                Polona Bonač
                                Keymaster

                                  Yes, click when she is almost at the end of the tunnel, just before she comes out. And sure, young dog needs a lot of experience with different obstacles.
                                  You can also run parallel sometimes, but do that when you have an assistant, because throwing and restraining and running doesn’t go so well together. 😉 At least throwing straight when also holding a dog. 😉

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