Forums Let`s play Agility – Spring 2022 Students Devon and Erie, 3 year old BC from USA

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  • #18587
    Polona Bonač
    Keymaster

      “took this video a few days ago and thought man she hasn’t said anything yet. Turns out I never submitted it. So this was some of the u shaped sequence working in turns.”
      It happens to me a lot. 🙂 Sorry it indeed took a long time – I was competing this weekend and it turned out more exhausting than anticipated and couldn’t manage to get anything done.

      Again nice training! Interesting how much he loves running around wings. 🙂 And he doesn’t get sloppy. So that makes me think that you can put some individual wings to the side of the U tunnel and in the beginning of each straight line (on the same U setup) to give you some more options and I think he will like it. So you can make little sequences mixing normal obstacles and individual wings. Just make sure you always do a little “course walk” at least mentaly, so you handle precisely. I would also start with some static toy/lure out of the wing drills in your training sessions. I couldn’t really see because of how far the camera was, but I think he is not super tight when actually jumping full height – at least not after some repetitions. I don’t consider turns a priority for him right now, but I wouldn’t want him to become too slopy.

      Starts really nice this time – I could see that after a while he wasn’t starting as enthusiastically as before anymore though, even if he was happy to sit and keept great focus. Probably he was just tired and accelerating from 0 requires some more energy. But given that the starts were his problem, you can sometimes release and throw almost immediately, so he is rewarded after the first obstacle already.

      #18640
      devon hennessy
      Participant

        I added some wings by the tunnel. It went fairly well. I think I could be more creative. I tried a few with sits and a reward quickly. I think that helped with speed off the start.

        I had a hard time with the static you. He ran over top of the toy for the one in my hand. What should I do differently?

        The lure out of the turn I think went really well.

        #18651
        Polona Bonač
        Keymaster

          Really nice training! Yes, starts better for sure. Make sure you randomly surprise him with a quick release after a ball at every training. Not every time of course, but let him know it is always an option.
          Luring out of a turn really nice. When the sequence allows you to be there and get ready, you can randomly do it out of a sequence as well.
          Static toy – nothing really wrong, even my dogs have the tendency to do that now and than. When it starts to happen I get rid of the second toy and just make a big party with the one they pick up instead. Erie looks like he loves to run with it, so you can first chase him some and than invite him for some more tugging or an extra throw before starting again.

          #18657
          devon hennessy
          Participant

            Here is a little of the in and out. I want to make sure that I’m going it right before moving on. He has a left and right turn in front of me, beside me, towards and away. I can video that if you want to see it.

            The out I use the word zoom, and the in is here. I mixed in a few left and rights too. I don’t remember how many I put in the video.

            #18665
            Polona Bonač
            Keymaster

              He seems to have it all figured out already! Yes, please film what you’ve got, I don’t want to fix what is not broken. 🙂 Or bore you with stuff he already knows. From what I can tell from this video, he has all the right understanding so you can easily try those little sequences in all possible variations. 🙂

              #18677
              devon hennessy
              Participant

                Todays training didn’t go as well. I don’t know if I’m leaning to far over him for the in in’s.

                I started the video with left and rights so you can see them.

                Then I did a few left and rights on jumps. One he turned left instead of right but I just kept saying right and he corrected himself by taking the jump again and turning right.

                I wanted to work on some ins and outs after that. And they just didn’t go super well. I had a few ideas, I’m leaning to forward so he doesn’t know what I want, the bars were too high for now, or the jumps were too close together. I lowered the jumps and I think they were better.

                I did a little bit of crazy balls just over the jump to try to pump him back up after our struggles.

                #18696
                Polona Bonač
                Keymaster

                  I think overall he has very good understanding of things. That mistake was probably just cause he wasn’t really focused and he just assumed it is going to be left based on his starting position. He was paying more attention next time. What I see as something to keep an eye for is that his turns were not tight once you added speed at 2.07 and onwards. I think it was mostly due to distance – he had no time to process and had to take off almost immediately. But if that happens with bigger distances as well, I would maybe consider starting with a stic toy in place and gradually traisition from that. Or maybe a static toy + barrier even. Would you say he had problems staying tight on speedy courses?
                  In – yes if I had to guess I would say it was your body language. Frontal position and leaning into him + staying relatively straight in the beginning. He was recognising it much better when you were moving along and keeping your torso straight. So next time I would do reverse – start with those moving ones and than gradually try to stay more behind for it – but with straight torso, not leaning into him.

                  #18734
                  devon hennessy
                  Participant

                    I worked on some ins and some outs. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong for him to be confused. Do I need to slow it down again? Or take a step back

                    #18752
                    Polona Bonač
                    Keymaster

                      Overall I didn’t think it was so bad… He did most of the repetitions correctly. Or woud you say he had better percentage before? If that is the case, is your handling completely the same as it was? Were you ever doing with static toy laying there? It could also be a distraction.
                      The way I saw it he didn’t really make many mistakes, but he didn’t react to them very well. As soon as things weren’t going right for him he had a little melt down and didn’t quite know how to organise himself. But that is ok, that just means he is mindfull about what he is doing.
                      So the way I see it, I would just do one of the two things – if you can pinpoint what distracted him, you can just switch to something else and not correct it immediately, but only after he is no longer afected by making a mistake.
                      If everything seemed right but he still made a mistake, you can take food and make a short step back – make things easier for him so he is successful again and gradually upgrade from there.

                      #18753
                      Polona Bonač
                      Keymaster

                        Thinking about it some more, maybe I wasn’t cear enough what I am reffering to – situation like at 1.36. When you see him getting confused, I would reset him by quickly and dinamically send him back to the wrap you were starting with, because very often it is just a spur of the moment confusion and he will focus better if you give him a re-try without previously insisting he completes what you were asking for. Also I would allow him to get the toy after you said “YES” even if he hasn’t actually jumped, because it was your “yes” that distracted him from doing so.
                        In my experiences it is most important that you help a dog like Erie snap out of confusion as quickly as possible, even if it means re-starting rather than completing, so they can be productive again and not loose themselves in a black hole of not knowing what to do.

                        #18763
                        devon hennessy
                        Participant

                          I think this went much better. There were a couple of reps that aren’t in this video (they were in another clip that now I can’t find) where he wasn’t sure and got kind of stuck and I just sent him back to the original jump and tried again. Then I made a big party so he really knew oh that’s what she wants!!

                          I think today went much better. I feel like I’m still really struggling with the idea of a start line. Maybe that’s to come or I’m missing something. Should I work on adding back in crazy balls and the straight tunnel and a single jump and back to the u shaped sequence?

                          #18772
                          Polona Bonač
                          Keymaster

                            “ think this went much better. There were a couple of reps that aren’t in this video (they were in another clip that now I can’t find) where he wasn’t sure and got kind of stuck and I just sent him back to the original jump and tried again. Then I made a big party so he really knew oh that’s what she wants!!”
                            Yes, that aproach works really well for him! 🙂 He doesn’t get stuck in his own head.

                            “ I feel like I’m still really struggling with the idea of a start line. Maybe that’s to come or I’m missing something. Should I work on adding back in crazy balls and the straight tunnel and a single jump and back to the u shaped sequence?”

                            Those highly technical drills are not the best place for him to also practise start line stays, even though I didn’t notice a big problem here – but it is also true that many times I don’t really see him, I just assume he is waiting. Anyways – his starts can’t be really explosive here because he is in a thinking mode due to the nature of the drill. I think you can easily try some sequences from lesson 2 or 3 and see how it goes there. I would always mix things up, sometimes rewarding immediately, sometimes asking for a bit more/whole sequence.

                            #18782
                            devon hennessy
                            Participant

                              I set up the sequences from lesson 3 and ran the white squares on that course. I think I could push for more speed but overall I’m pretty happy.

                              I broke the sequences into a few sections and then went back to leave a toy at 5 to try to help the turn be tighter.

                              #18785
                              Polona Bonač
                              Keymaster

                                Yes good job! The more you ran, the faster he got. You can do “out” crazy balls style sometimes – same way as I showed with wraps. Out throw the ball, call him back directly into the next out, throw the ball,… repeat a couple of times.
                                When you ask him to stay prep him a bit better for it – ask for some dynamic tricks and reward with throws so he is hyped up before and carries some of that emotion into sit.
                                Good call to help him with toy on turns. It helped him a lot!
                                Overall I don’t think his speed was bad, given that you didn’t really have to move much, as I said, the longer it got, the more he was running so I can imagine it will get even better on a full scale course.

                                #18793
                                devon hennessy
                                Participant

                                  I started with crazy balls and outs as a warm up. I think he really liked that. Next time I’m going to work some stays into that too. I just didn’t think about that off the bat today. There were a few I mixed in lefts and rights. Watched my handling back and the ones where I was not handling well he was a bit confused but I can work on that.

                                  Then I worked the grey squares of lesson three. I think he did really well.

                                  “Overall I don’t think his speed was bad, given that you didn’t really have to move much, as I said, the longer it got, the more he was running so I can imagine it will get even better on a full scale course.” typically when using a stay on a full course he’s slow to start and builds speed as the course continues. I’m hoping to be able to change that and have him racing the whole time.

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